Posted by Uk Diver on February 28, 2002 at 16:27:40:
In Reply to: Re: A stroke posted by colin on February 26, 2002 at 22:27:41:
: : : what i have is the best set up... for me or rather think it is based on previous setup and looking at others but i've only my experience to base it on. : : No one can, or should, knock you for what you have clearly thought out in some detail. : what was the first post i made about the guy who was shouting stroke and the reason for this discusion???????????????????????????????? : i am not knocking your diveing in any way but it sounds to me like you are using darwins theory of evolution to design your dive system. Seems to me that all of you're reasons are justified to a point. You say you are not knocking any else’s diving but wont look at anything apart from DIR-GUE. I know that this subject can go round & round but if DIR-GUE is looking at becoming a integral part of the UK Diving training programme you need to promote you’re programmes from training level instead of all these wanna be pricks following the latest fad and trashing the very good name DIR-GUE has in the USA and let me repeat “USA” I hope I have put this in terms that will not warrant a torrent of abuse but will be taken on board as grow up people from both sides. Happy promoting UK Diver
: : That's fair comment.
: this is how cave diving progressed , if someone died they did not do it any more, one day this may work for buddy insperations, but the proces is slowed by human nature and the "it'll never hapen to me syndrome"
: look at smoking for instance.
: i hate to keep using it but look at the abs system on a pair of mares fins, flimsy plastic buckels, drop a weight belt on it and your dive is over, why was it designed like this ? what is the hardest thing about using fins? i think taking them on and off, how do you appeal to customers, make your fins easy to put on and off.
: would it not be better to learn how to take them on and off properly. take a pair of jet fins and look at the buckels, you can get a new one anyware, if you switch them for springs they will last forever and no line entanglement problems, they are also more streamlined and in an emergency any one could remove them or use them, does this not fit in with the equipment requirements posted before ??
: who designs the equipment for the big companies, are they divers or market analysists ?
: heres another one..
: if you look at new divers you will often see them "bicycle kicking" this is often due to bad instrs, how do you make a fin that is attractive to your bigest market , new divers, make one that works OK with the most common mistakes new divers make, hence the dacor/mares tiger line of fins, they work best by cycle kicking, and the same goes with split fins, if you have been taught how to use frog, modified frog and modified flutter you would not need $250 fins that cant push against a current or carry lots of gear,dont have good trim and propolsion techniques? get bigger fins (mares power series) and carry more gas is that the way to go?. and you cant do helicopter turns or swim backwards , what are the first things you must learn in GUE training, i know you guys are all clued in on GUE so that should not be a tough question.take a look at WWW.fifthd in seattle and watch the training videos to see what i mean.
: who designs the gear for dir??
: the same people who have been diving to over 300ft for hours on end in an over head inviroment with no accidents, i know you guys dont think much of florida cave diving but they impress the shit out of me. .www.wkpp.com, one more, when was the last time you heard someone boast that some part of something was made with technology developed for the spaceshuttle etc......
: can we get off the topic of equipment because dir is the only complete system out there, it is bullet proof.
: what i want to know is ...
: if any one has done a training course at any level where there instr told them that when they share air the donor has to show the reciver there pressure guage so they can decide how fast they must exit?.
: do PADI tech instr's have a hard time teaching students not to kneel in the shit to clear there mask or ballance there fin tips on the ground to check there buoyancy,
: does solving a puzzel at 100ft make you a better deep diver or better able to recognise the symptoms of co2,
You keep mentioning about PADI divers kneeling in the shit.
I do believe that some of the DIR concepts are very good “but” I do think that DIR-GUE needs to relax on it’s hard nosed approach concept.
DIR-GUE is a very new concept into Diving and if I’m right the HSE has not approved any of it’s training course yet.
PADI/SSA/BSAC have been going for a number of years and yes they have all had fatalities DIR-GUE is very new and I am sure that people that dive this way will still make mistakes.
PADI/SSA/BSAC have been training people for years and they make up 90% of trained divers in the UK. You’re brand is very new to people this side of the pond and one thing you don’t want to do is create a them & us approach and until now this is what has come over “if you don’t do it this way you’re a stroke”.
For a training agency that is looking to establish themselves in this country you have gone about it in a very stupid way.
You bring you’re standards over here and then you proceed to call people “strokes” when they don’t dive you’re way!!. To me that’s not the best advertising in the world. As I mentioned above DIR-GUE has some excellent advice to give but instead of having proclaimed pricks running around saying they are DIR-GUE divers and then for them to be slagging off the people that trained them in the 1st place you should be setting up workshops to educate people into you’re ways of diving instead of having people running around saying “DIR is the only” , inevitably these people only aggravate other divers and then this just makes the “them & Us” void even bigger.